{"id":78,"date":"2008-06-29T17:45:31","date_gmt":"2008-06-30T00:45:31","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.meanboyfriend.com\/overdue_ideas\/?p=78"},"modified":"2008-06-29T17:45:31","modified_gmt":"2008-06-30T00:45:31","slug":"ala-2008-what-i-have-found-out-from-an-attempt-to-build-an-rdf-model-of-frbr-ized-cataloging-rules-martha-yee","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.meanboyfriend.com\/overdue_ideas\/2008\/06\/ala-2008-what-i-have-found-out-from-an-attempt-to-build-an-rdf-model-of-frbr-ized-cataloging-rules-martha-yee\/","title":{"rendered":"ALA 2008: What I have found out from an attempt to build an RDF model of FRBR-ized cataloging rules &#8211; Martha Yee"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a title=\"http:\/\/myee.bol.ucla.edu\/\" href=\"http:\/\/myee.bol.ucla.edu\/\">http:\/\/myee.bol.ucla.edu\/<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Can we preserve all the good stuff we have created with cataloging? We spend too much time doing &#8216;admin&#8217; work to keep local catalogs under control. See potential in the vision of the &#8216;semantic web&#8217;<\/p>\n<p>Martha summarising the concepts of the semantic web, RDF, RDFS, OWL, SKOS, URIs<\/p>\n<p>As an experiment, Martha decided to create a set of cataloguing rules that are more FRBRized than RDA &#8211; details available at <a href=\"http:\/\/myee.bol.ucla.edu\/\">her website<\/a>. Noting, she really doesn&#8217;t expect people to adopt these rules &#8211; it is <em>an experiment<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Questions:<\/p>\n<ol>\n<li>Is it possible for catalogers to tell in all cases whether a piece of data pertains to the expression or the manifestation?<\/li>\n<li>Is it possible to fit our data into RDF\/RDFS\/OWL\/SKOS<\/li>\n<li>If it is, is it possible to use that data to design indexes and displays that meet the objectives of the catalog (providing an efficient instrument to allow a user to find a particular work of which the author and title are known, a particular expression of a work, all of the works of an author, all of the works in a given genre or form, or all of the works on a particular subject)?<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p>The overall question is:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Can we do what we need to do within the context of the semantic web? <\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Some problems?<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Granularity issues &#8211; should we be more granular in some areas? Less granular in others?<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Martha says that people who dislike MARC argue that it is too granular and requires too much of a learning curve. (I don&#8217;t agree &#8211; it is this simple, I believe we need to focus on what is important &#8211; in some areas this means more, and in others less, granularity &#8211; although I also don&#8217;t think this is the major problem with &#8216;MARC&#8217; &#8211; the main problem is that others &#8211; outside libraries) don&#8217;t, and will never, adopt it)<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Is the internet fast enough to assemble a record from a linked set of URIs?<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>(I don&#8217;t agree with this either &#8211; Google&#8217;s model of crawling the web doesn&#8217;t require the web to be &#8216;fast&#8217; &#8211; we can index\/build in advance, not on the fly)<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Internet seems to be built on &#8216;free&#8217; intellectual labour &#8211; only the programmers get paid<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Martha feels this is a real problem &#8211; it costs money (it is expensive) to create cataloguing &#8211; takes intellectual labour<\/p>\n<p>I think Martha&#8217;s experiment is fascinating &#8211; I think that many of her &#8216;problems&#8217; are not actuall problems &#8211; but I think they deserve to be answered.<\/p>\n<p>Some comments from the panel:<\/p>\n<p>DH: Really appreciate the work that is being done by Martha &#8211; it is hard to get your head round this stuff. But some of the arguments are strawmen. Problems with the way that RDA looks at some of the problems &#8211; for e.g. false dichotomy between transcribed values and other values &#8211; no reason why both shouldn&#8217;t be accommodated.<\/p>\n<p>JB: Need to make distinction between granularity and complexity. Records can be granular <em>and<\/em> interoperable &#8211; and people can decide how they can use that. Don&#8217;t need complex to be granular<\/p>\n<p>I think the panel have picked up on the same things that I have. I think we all agree that the work that Martha is doing is great, and leading by example &#8211; we need more experiments like this &#8211; actual practical stuff, not just theoretical<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div class=\"wlWriterSmartContent\" id=\"scid:0767317B-992E-4b12-91E0-4F059A8CECA8:829a45c5-660a-4fa1-8f6c-0667ac53b373\" style=\"padding-right: 0px; display: inline; padding-left: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; margin: 0px; padding-top: 0px\">Technorati Tags: <a href=\"http:\/\/technorati.com\/tags\/ala2008\" rel=\"tag\">ala2008<\/a><\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>http:\/\/myee.bol.ucla.edu\/ Can we preserve all the good stuff we have created with cataloging? We spend too much time doing &#8216;admin&#8217; work to keep local catalogs under control. See potential in the vision of the &#8216;semantic web&#8217; Martha summarising the concepts of the semantic web, RDF, RDFS, OWL, SKOS, URIs As an experiment, Martha decided to [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[],"tags":[9],"class_list":["post-78","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","tag-ala2008"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.meanboyfriend.com\/overdue_ideas\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/78","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.meanboyfriend.com\/overdue_ideas\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.meanboyfriend.com\/overdue_ideas\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.meanboyfriend.com\/overdue_ideas\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.meanboyfriend.com\/overdue_ideas\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=78"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"http:\/\/www.meanboyfriend.com\/overdue_ideas\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/78\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.meanboyfriend.com\/overdue_ideas\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=78"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.meanboyfriend.com\/overdue_ideas\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=78"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.meanboyfriend.com\/overdue_ideas\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=78"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}