{"id":841,"date":"2010-06-09T12:49:04","date_gmt":"2010-06-09T11:49:04","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.meanboyfriend.com\/overdue_ideas\/?p=841"},"modified":"2010-06-09T12:49:22","modified_gmt":"2010-06-09T11:49:22","slug":"sort-panel-discussion","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.meanboyfriend.com\/overdue_ideas\/2010\/06\/sort-panel-discussion\/","title":{"rendered":"SORT &#8211; Panel discussion"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Q: What are the business models &#8211; how do we make this sustainable?<\/p>\n<p>A: (Mike Ellis) Some of this activity can reduce costs &#8211; so not revenue stream, but cheaper to do stuff. Requires creative thinking &#8211; need to talk to marketeers and communications specialists. E.g. National Gallery &#8211; partnered with commercial company to produce iphone app &#8211; which was sold<\/p>\n<p>A: (Dan Greenstein) We are going to have to take money away from existing activities &#8211; e.g. University of California is now boycotting Nature due to price increases. Need to make sure those things that don&#8217;t work go away.<\/p>\n<p>A: (Jo Pugh) Some of this stuff just &#8216;has to be done&#8217; &#8211; freeing our data might be like preservation &#8211; doesn&#8217;t make us money, but we do it.<\/p>\n<p>A: (Andy Neale) Some of this can be done as part of &#8216;business as usual&#8217; &#8211; tacks on to existing activity<\/p>\n<p>A: (Mike Ellis) Income from protecting some of this stuff (e.g. picture libraries selling use of pictures) is not that great &#8211; and there are costs with things like chasing copyright etc.<\/p>\n<p>A: (Jo Pugh) V&amp;A changed rules over what they could do &#8211; became more permissive and revenue went up, and they were able to reduce staff<\/p>\n<p>A: (Dan Greenstein) Some publishers protecting backlists in anticipation of a revenue stream that isn&#8217;t available, and yet they could realise revenue streams<\/p>\n<p>A: (Stuart Dempster) Look at Ithaca model case studies &#8211; real world financials about how much it costs to operate types of digital services &#8211; and will be updated this year so will be able to see impact of downturn. Also recommend looking at government technology policy &#8211; will be source for innovative practice. Now seeing funders requiring exit strategies for project from day 1.<\/p>\n<p>Q: (Sally Rumsden) Interested in metadata. What is &#8216;good enough&#8217; metadata. What should we be doing to make sure people can find stuff reliably<\/p>\n<p>A: (Andy Neale) DigitalNZ took any metadata &#8211; some items only have title, and even some of those title are &#8216;title unknown&#8217; &#8211; but even this is a hook. When you start pushing this into resource discovery systems with faceting etc. start to expose the quality of the metadata &#8211; can highlight to contributors problems they didn&#8217;t appreciate, and result in improvements over time. Even if you only have a title &#8211; this can still be useful&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>A: (Tom Heath) Good enough is in the eye of the beholder. We can&#8217;t anticipate. However, you could flag stuff you aren&#8217;t happy with so it is clear to users<\/p>\n<p>A: (Dan Greenstein) Metadata enhancement adds to cost. And specialist materials have a particularly high cost, and delivers value to a small number of people. We aren&#8217;t good at saying &#8216;no&#8217; to stuff. We have to be clear what we can afford &#8211; have to model costs of project more effectively.<\/p>\n<p>A: (Liz Lyon) Trove project (in Australia) using crowdsourcing to improve metadata<\/p>\n<p>A: (Balviar Notay) Some projects already looking at how text mining tools can enhance metadata for digital repositories &#8211; although perhaps unlikely to solve all problems so likely to see mixed manual and automatic approaches<\/p>\n<p>A: (David Kay) If you put stuff out, evidence from Internet Archive and others, authors become motivated to improve and add more. But have to get it out there first<\/p>\n<p>A: (Mike Ellis) Look at Powerhouse Museum collection &#8211; using OpenCalais to generate tags. Picasa starting to add object recognition &#8211; some automated tools improving, but still some issues. Also look at Google tagging game, V&amp;A also doing user engagement to generate content from humans<\/p>\n<p>A: (Peter Burnhill) Think about what metadata already existed and reuse or leverage that data<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Q: What are the business models &#8211; how do we make this sustainable? A: (Mike Ellis) Some of this activity can reduce costs &#8211; so not revenue stream, but cheaper to do stuff. Requires creative thinking &#8211; need to talk to marketeers and communications specialists. E.g. 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